(PH BALANCED, THAT IS…)
Dear Renee,
What is the pH of the Goat Milk & Honey and your other soaps? I am on a search for natural/healthy soap bars that are pH balanced.
Thanks,
Angela
When I dug into this a bit more, I found out there’s a whole marketing war out there when you bring up the phrase “pH balance” and soap. More on that in a minute.
First, what pH does MadeOn’s soap have? I’ll start with my soap maker Rosemarie’s answer:
You always want the pH to be below 10. Normal soap pH is between 7 and 10, with 7 being neutral. We do not want any free lye remaining in the soap and lye has a pH of 14. Goat milk contains caprylic acid which helps bring the pH close to human skin which is 4.5 – 7. The soap I make for MadeOn has a pH of 7 {possibly slightly higher}.
That’s pretty much all one needs to know to have the confidence that MadeOn’s goat milk soap is not just safe, but has something that the goat milk provides to make it even better than other handcrafted soaps.
Kelly in San Diego, regarding the Oatmeal Honey goat milk soap:
The feel and smell of this soap is divine. I put it in the cabinet and every time the door opened I could smell the uplifting scent. That scent was even better when used in the shower. WOW!
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What’s the deal with the pH controversy? Companies make the claim that their soaps are “pH balanced” as a form of marketing without any regard to the actual science. In an effort to combat the exploding natural handmade soap market, companies make the claim that soaps with a pH of 9 – 10 are harsh. A real marketing war has ensued with the claim that “pH balanced” soaps are better for you.
So these companies are doing something to their cleansers to actually lower the pH balance of a regular bar of soap? Yes. Commercial detergent based soaps are synthetic surfactants. Excess alkali is allowed to remain in the bars to harden them faster, extend their shelf life and increase lather. It has been proven that the mix of excess alkali and detergents will dry, damage and aggravate sensitive skin. They can damage the “stratum cornium” in the epidermis which is a functioning barrier of protection. When this layers dries out, skin conditions follow.
A product’s pH is not the real danger to your skin, but the synthetic detergents and other chemicals used in soaps, shampoos, and other cosmetics to make them”pH balanced” – that are damaging. Ida from Chagrin Valley Soap
Our skin is made with a natural defense mechanism. Explain that. Our skin is naturally acidic to act as a barrier to the first wave of bacteria we face everyday. (The skin is REALLY amazing in all that it does for us.) The skin produces an acidic secretion which is called the Acid Mantle. The mantle must be periodically cleaned of oils, dirt and germs. The most effective way to clean an acid is with a light alkaline cleanser. In reality, properly made soaps with an alkalinity in the 8 to 10 range do no harm at all, they are actually beneficial. Want to know why?
Yes, do tell! Why are soaps with a pH range of 8 – 10 okay? Research has shown that after washing, the skin begins to replace the acid barrier immediately. Within 15 minutes, nearly 1/3 has been replaced. Depending on the person, in 1- 2 hours, the acid mantle is restored. In other words – pH is a non-issue. There is no medical reason to seek low pH soap. Remember the pH scale ranges from 0 (acids) to 14 (alkaline). A pH of 3 is that of an orange and most naturally made soaps are 9 – 10. A pH of 7 is water. We use a pH meter to test the soap and we record pH results on every batch that we make for MadeOn customers.
So, “pH balanced” is a slogan that works off fear. If you want soap that is mild and good for the skin, then you want a naturally mild alkaline cleanser, like that in natural soap. The research is there and so are countless testimonials about skin improvement!
I appreciate the research of Rosemarie, Regina and Ida, in explaining the role of pH in soap. If you have any other questions I can get answered for you, don’t hesitate to reply and let me know!
NOTE: Our goat milk soap is quickly becoming just as popular as our Beesilk lotion bars. They do sell quickly and we do our best to keep them stocked. We’ve added an additional Milk & Honey soap and we’ll have more Lavender and Calendula in stock this month.
If you’d like to sample one of our soaps, just leave a comment in the comment section of your order form.
Renee Harris, owner
MadeOn Skin Care
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i need to find some liquid goats milk soap recipes. I have a friend who has really bad cracked skin and a bad immune system. Her doctor said she needs liquid soap because of the germ potential on bar soap.
Hi Kathy – I don’t know of a goat milk liquid soap recipe but here is a supplier that makes a goat milk soap base that you might check out http://www.elementsbathandbody.com/Goat-s-Milk-Liquid… You could then add essential oils to her liking. I let my goat milk soapmakers handle the soap making (I don’t personally make those products) and I don’t see their liquid soaps with goat milk as an ingredient.
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Hi Renee, I really appreciate your post, however as a scientist i have to disagree. Cleanser pH matters a whole lot, studies show skin pH is immediately changed and the more it changes, the longer it stays there. Studies also show, when volunteers stop washing/exfoliating/cleansing etc. for 1 day plus, skin pH drops much lower than we thought it naturally existed – in the realm of pH 4-5. If skin stays alkaline for too long, it encourages acne bacteria to grow and overtake your skin’s natural and healthy microbiome. It also leads to a dry and irritated skin barrier, alongside lots of other not so great possibilities, this explains a lot more, I hope you find it interesting -> http://www.honestyforyourskin.co.uk/ph-of-soap/
I’m 56 yrs old and at the age of 15 yrs old I quit using detergent bars–didn’t know they were such, thought they were ‘soap.’ I hated how my skin felt, tight, dry & icky feeling….like a film. I used my shampoo until I began to make soap (real soap) 2 years ago. When at our son’s house for a week or so to be with grandkids my hands will begin to get dry in 3 days & by the 7th day will begin to crack on knuckles. In 10-12 days they cracks actually break all the way thru skin and bleed by day 14. This is even when lotion is applied. I started bringing soap that I make & since then I have no more problem with even the slightest drying. I realize the pH of my body soap (9.5) and solid shampoo (8.5) is higher than commercially made detergent bars and detergent hair products but in 2 years I have seen the benefits to my skin, especially my hands. Love the fact that my knuckles don’t crack and bleed, nor do my fingers around the nails and this has gone on since my pre-teens. Nothing helped with this drying; my deer aunt who was a nurse & helped raise us brought home things from the hospital to help to no avail. I even wore plastic surgical gloves on my hands to bed after slathering on the creams and salves, nothing worked to prevent this drying out and cracking. At age of 18 I discovered Neutrogena lotion/salve & it helped ‘some’ but nothing has helped the way washing with my ‘real’ soap. The arguments companies make to push their standpoint that ‘real’ soap is bad for skin AND the arguments for the use of natural “real” soap will continue just as arguments regarding religion and politics. What I know is the results I see in my skin; it is REAL results that I have not found with anything else. Regarding hair, pH is a big issue since raised pH opens the hair cuticle & if not closed the cuticles can break, damaging hair. What do I do? I make my own low pH (5 to 5.5) hair conditioner using ‘my’ choice of oils, pro-vitamin B5, silk peptides and other great hair loving ingredients–even yogurt powder and hops. My hair is in better shape and the benefits of relatives’ hair who are gifted my hair products are even being noticed by their respective cosmetologists. One has asked my cousin (whose hair is growing faster now) if she could try my products and stated to my cousin that my pH must be spot on with the difference she’s seen in my cousin’s hair over the past few months. She goes in for a trim every 6 weeks; I take the long conversation she had with my cousin as a great compliment. I will not go back to commercial products……….unless I want dry skin, cracked skin. It’s wonderful not to suffer with something that I had since childhood and up until 2 years ago when I started making soap. My husband, lol, bless his heart kept repeating after showering–for a many days–commercial soap doesn’t hold a candle to yours –or– their’s doesn’t come close to yours. Loves the difference in his hair as well. I think more is involved with skin conditions than pH, despite what ‘soap’ companies argue and from even the ‘science’ standpoint. With all due respect, I know what my skin and hair says. I think those who use quality ‘real’ soap do see the difference as well and that’s why they stand by their viewpoints on ‘real’ soap. I can’t but wonder if those on the other side of the fence have used ‘real’ soap and long enough to make a comparison. My best friend’s husband went away from a visit with a bunch of my soap gifted but later told his wife, ‘there’s no difference; it’s all hype.’ Then she put all the commercial soap away and used the ‘real’ stuff………….she now makes her own soap; he doesn’t want to go back to ‘fake’ soap. He ran his fingernail across his arm and told her ‘look’ then said that there was no longer a white line left by his scraping his nail up his arm.
Hmm, don’t think my comment went through. Sorry if this is a duplicate; I guess the monitor of this site can remove one……if indeed it posts twice.
I’m 56 yrs old and at the age of 15 yrs old I quit using detergent bars–didn’t know they were such, thought they were ‘soap.’ I hated how my skin felt, tight, dry & icky feeling….like a film. I used my shampoo until I began to make soap (real soap) 2 years ago. When at our son’s house for a week or so to be with grandkids my hands will begin to get dry in 3 days & by the 7th day will begin to crack on knuckles. In 10-12 days they cracks actually break all the way thru skin and bleed by day 14. This is even when lotion is applied. I started bringing soap that I make & since then I have no more problem with even the slightest drying. I realize the pH of my body soap (9.5) and solid shampoo (8.5) is higher than commercially made detergent bars and detergent hair products but in 2 years I have seen the benefits to my skin, especially my hands. Love the fact that my knuckles don’t crack and bleed, nor do my fingers around the nails and this has gone on since my pre-teens. Nothing helped with this drying; my deer aunt who was a nurse & helped raise us brought home things from the hospital to help to no avail. I even wore plastic surgical gloves on my hands to bed after slathering on the creams and salves, nothing worked to prevent this drying out and cracking. At age of 18 I discovered Neutrogena lotion/salve & it helped ‘some’ but nothing has helped the way washing with my ‘real’ soap. The arguments companies make to push their standpoint that ‘real’ soap is bad for skin AND the arguments for the use of natural “real” soap will continue just as arguments regarding religion and politics. What I know is the results I see in my skin; it is REAL results that I have not found with anything else. Regarding hair, pH is a big issue since raised pH opens the hair cuticle & if not closed the cuticles can break, damaging hair. What do I do? I make my own low pH (5 to 5.5) hair conditioner using ‘my’ choice of oils, pro-vitamin B5, silk peptides and other great hair loving ingredients–even yogurt powder and hops. My hair is in better shape and the benefits of relatives’ hair who are gifted my hair products are even being noticed by their respective cosmetologists. One has asked my cousin (whose hair is growing faster now) if she could try my products and stated to my cousin that my pH must be spot on with the difference she’s seen in my cousin’s hair over the past few months. She goes in for a trim every 6 weeks; I take the long conversation she had with my cousin as a great compliment. I will not go back to commercial products……….unless I want dry skin, cracked skin. It’s wonderful not to suffer with something that I had since childhood and up until 2 years ago when I started making soap. My husband, lol, bless his heart kept repeating after showering–for a many days–commercial soap doesn’t hold a candle to yours –or– their’s doesn’t come close to yours. Loves the difference in his hair as well. I think more is involved with skin conditions than pH, despite what ‘soap’ companies argue and from even the ‘science’ standpoint. With all due respect, I know what my skin and hair says. I think those who use quality ‘real’ soap do see the difference as well and that’s why they stand by their viewpoints on ‘real’ soap. I can’t but wonder if those on the other side of the fence have used ‘real’ soap and long enough to make a comparison. My best friend’s husband went away from a visit with a bunch of my soap gifted but later told his wife, ‘there’s no difference; it’s all hype.’ Then she put all the commercial soap away and used the ‘real’ stuff………….she now makes her own soap; he doesn’t want to go back to ‘fake’ soap. He ran his fingernail across his arm and told her ‘look’ then said that there was no longer a white line left by his scraping his nail up his arm.
Your quote & explanation from Chagrin Valley states that detergent bars have their pH lowered & balanced by leaving excess alkali in the soap. Excess alkali will never lower the pH of anything, It will always raise the pH. I personally find that pH does matter for sensitive areas like my face. I’m also a soap maker, so even though it would be advantageous for me to say lye soap is the best cleanser in all situations, it just isn’t always true in my experence, whether purchased or made by me. The inventors of detergents actually were soap-makers to begin with. The benefit of detergents is that they CAN have their pH lowered, and they don’t form a waxy coating of soap scum on your skin if used in hard water, like lye soap does. I do avoid detergents that contain ethoxylated ingredients though, because they’re likely carcinogenic, but there are other detergents that are good, & even natural Eco-Cert ones like Decyl Glucoside, which though it’s alkaline, it can have its pH lowered without compromising its ability to cleanse, & is gentler to the skin than lye soap. The lowest that any lye soap can be adjusted is 7.5. I’ve read Kevin Dunn’s Scientific Soap-making book, & that is what he wrote in it. He actually asked any and all soap makers to send him a bar of soap that has a pH as low as 7, and no one has been able to come up with one, so if your soap is really a pH of 7, he would make note of it, if you send him a bar to test. As to detergent bars, if they are not labeling them as soap, i don’t think it’s fair to say they are masquerading as soap. I think it’s just an engrained term we all use to refer to cleansers since it’s the oldest form of cleanser, kind of like we say “popsicles” or “kleenex” when technically those are frozen fruit desserts & tissues if they aren’t the original brand. I also think people with soft water have better experiences with lye soap than us who have hard water, because honestly I’ve gotten the best feedback on my own soaps from people who have soft water. Just my 2 cents.
Redken had mad a ph Acid balanced bar soap with a ph of 5.54 . It was great for feeping your human fona alive and protecting you from the stuff that shouldn’t be living on your skin. They have replaced this product with Redken BREWS bar soap that smells good but no better for your fona than any ph balanced soap ph7. It’s their knock off. So if you need a acid balance soap Redken is now off your list.
That’s interesting that your skin is a little bit acidic to help protect you from germs. I could see how removing that acidity could prevent that from doing its job, and could result in you getting sick. I’ll have to make sure that all the soap I buy is the right pH so I could maintain that protective acidity.
Great post! I love Dove’s nourishing body wash for sensitive skin as it has plant based Ph